Recently, many retirees who emigrated to the western developed countries reported that when they tried to receive a domestic pension, they were rejected by the domestic government department: "when you have enough money abroad, you have to go back and make it!"
It is a great dream for many people to emigrate to middle-aged countries such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand and so on. But these people are now facing retirement pension problems one after another, and their confusion is that they do not get more pensions abroad because of their shorter working hours, and that China does not pay pensions. Do these old people have to pay for their immigration?
When you have enough money abroad, you have to go back and get it.
One netizen wrote: since people emigrated to Canada in middle age, Canada`s government was only responsible for paying my pension while I was working in Canada, and could not be responsible for the 18 years I worked in China. My 20-year pension in Canada is only 1/3 of what I would be entitled to for a full-time job.
So I wrote to the original unit many times from 2012 to 2013, and visited the cadre office of the original unit in 2013, and did not get a written reply. The oral replies were: "automatic separation, no pension", "no policy, no funding". There was also a person who told me that I had passed the retirement age and could no longer apply for it.
Having been to the Labor dispute Mediation Office in Dongcheng District, Beijing, I replied that institutions are outside the scope of mediation. I wrote to the Chinese Consul General in Vancouver in April 2014 and have not received a reply so far.
China should follow international pension policy practices in all industrialized countries, which relate only to length of service and start-up time. Pension is not a special contribution to the Nobel Prize, nor is it a proof of residency and poverty.
After setting the time to receive a pension, the amount is increased; in advance, the amount is reduced. I have heard the term "expired invalidity" in China, which makes no sense. China should participate in the International Pensions and benefits Information system to ensure fairness to individuals and countries.
Another netizen wrote: I left the country after a review by the school`s personnel office, determined that I had met the number of years of service before I was approved to resign. In February 1992, I was given a notice of voluntary separation. According to China`s retirement law, I have decades of "as a contribution" of the length of service, should be entitled to a retirement pension.
I could not think of an "automatic separation" of management will discontinue the source of my old-age survival. It is hoped that the relevant departments of government will formulate policies and regulations in accordance with the spirit of humanitarianism to avoid inequality and injustice.
For a considerable period of time, many of our compatriots worked tirelessly and traveled all over China, eating all the "closed doors," and the problem of retirement pensions in China was not resolved so long that it was the original unit. The relevant departments of the local and State Council act as kicks and kicks.
The relevant agencies and relevant clerks often replied to us: "if you have enough money abroad, you will have to go back and get it." In fact, overseas Chinese and overseas Chinese in old age can only receive a pension in the country of residence to pay part of the old-age insurance. Most of us go abroad in middle age, pay a small number of years, receive fewer pensions, on these pensions can not be safe to spend their old age.
There is another saying: we are not at home, we do not qualify for pension. However, the Chinese Constitution gives citizens the freedom to choose their nationality and residence. Old-age insurance reflects a person`s contribution to the state and the extent to which the pension insurance is paid, and has nothing to do with nationality.
A management means or an administrative means should not break a person`s old survival road. Automatic separation, at best, is a dispute between the individual and the unit. Aside from the reasonable legitimacy of unit handling, "automatic separation" is a means of management, not an administrative sanction. Even if administrative measures of punishment, no matter how heavy can not give a man`s way of life to be broken.
No one is willing to be responsible for the pension of overseas Chinese
In fact, like the United States, Canada, and most European countries with pension agreements, these countries recognize each other that the length of time they lived in the country of origin before they emigrated is equivalent to that of the residents of the immigrant country, while China and the United States, Canada does not have a pension agreement, so the number of years of residence in China before immigration is equal to zero in the United States.
In fact, according to the provisions of the laws and regulations on retirement pensions in China, "those who have participated in work before the implementation of this decision and who have retired after implementation and whose years of contribution (including the same number of years of contribution as follows) have accumulated a total of over 15 years shall be reasonably connected with each other. The principle of smooth transition, on the basis of the basic pension and the personal account pension, and then the transitional pension according to the length of the contribution.
The specific measures shall be formulated and guided by the Ministry of Human Resources and Social Security in conjunction with the relevant departments. " For those who emigrate to Canada in the middle age, they fully comply with this provision. Many people work in institutions or agencies before going abroad. At that time, there was no old-age insurance contribution system.
Therefore, the regulations call its continuous service years "equal to the number of years of contribution", that is, those who have worked for a cumulative period of 15 years can enjoy the basic pension, the specific amount of which varies according to the differences among provinces and cities and regions. After the 2018 pension adjustment across the country, the average monthly pension of enterprise retirees in Beijing, Shanghai, Qinghai and other places has exceeded 3000 yuan, while Sichuan has a minimum of 1886 yuan, ranking at the bottom of the country.
Overseas Chinese in action
At present, overseas Chinese living in the United States, Canada, Europe and other places are actively striving for it. The European Association of overseas Chinese retirees has also put forward the proposal on Retirement Rights of overseas Chinese.
The proposal says many overseas Chinese, who have worked in China for many years, face the real problem of retirement. Most of them were expatriates after the 1980s, stayed abroad for a variety of reasons, and are now retiring.
Since they all go abroad in middle age, they have more than ten years of service in China, or even more than 20 years, so their service abroad is very short, their pensions are very limited, and some people do not even have a pension at all.
The pension problem of these people working in China should be addressed in order to maintain their old-age lives with limited or no pension.
The retirement rights and interests of overseas Chinese and overseas Chinese are a problem left over by a limited range of history, which is produced in a specific historical period and under historical conditions. The resulting period of time will not appear again, and the number of persons involved will not increase again.
In the late 1990s, when China introduced an old-age insurance system, expatriates would no longer have this problem, so the number of this group is limited, and as time goes on, age and the elimination of the laws of nature, The group will only shrink, not increase.
At the same time, this is also a problem to be solved, because many of them have far exceeded the retirement age, the age of the candle, and the days are short. Our country should be considerate and care for these overseas red children who have suffered with their motherland, solve the domestic pension problem fairly and as soon as possible, so that they can feel the kinship and warmth of the motherland.
The key issue now is that these overseas Chinese have joined foreign nationality, even if overseas Chinese retain Chinese nationality, also did not participate in domestic retirement pension insurance, did not pay pension insurance. Some people think that no retirement insurance premium, can not receive a pension, this is the biggest misunderstanding on the understanding.
China`s retirement insurance system was introduced only in the late 1990s, and they went abroad from the 1980s to the early 1990s, when there were no laws regulating their retirement procedures. They also do not have the opportunity to participate in the gradually improved retirement pension insurance. But even so, according to current state regulations, they should also receive a certain pension.
Netizens` hot comments
Idle people 2000: before the establishment of national social security in China, that is, before the 1990s, the length of work has not been cleared, but is equal to the payment. Those who go abroad before the establishment of social security do not have a social security account. However, if the individual or relatives have the will, they can transfer their files from the unit to the talent exchange center, as a freelancer to establish a social security account, and pay their own social insurance premiums. In the future, regardless of nationality, you can receive a unified basic pension at the retirement age.
@ lulalala: attention! China`s retirement insurance system was only implemented in the late 1990s. So are the pensioners working from the end of the `90s? If not, why do those who fail to catch up with the insurance system have zero years of service and their pre-90s service years are not clear? This question has nothing to do with nationality, economic situation, but only logic.
@ hagerty: `s pension is still the responsibility of the original unit, not the overall social security system. There was no concept of pension payments at all. Therefore, it is the original unit to decide whether to give. My parents had colleagues who had been out of the country and couldn`t come back. The social security they now receive in the United States is not as high as my parents` pension. It is only because China was so poor that these people left the country without turning back, and some people came back from abroad to sell their homes at home.
@ East and West: what you should get, you can pay direct attention to the relevant policies on the Internet. The truth is that what China has done in this respect is very reasonable. It is only that the following distribution units may pretend to be confused and will not take the initiative to tell you. Of course, they may not really know.
Qiu Qianli: different countries have different old-age insurance regulations. In China, the so-called fifteen-year pension is not just fifteen years of work. It is different from the concept of forty points in the United States. Instead, you have to work or pay insurance for at least fifteen years before retirement, until retirement day. About 14 years ago, China also widely called on everyone to pay insurance premiums without late payment of fines. This kind of overseas Chinese American, after going abroad, despises the Chinese so little pension, deliberately does not renew the labor insurance, does not have the pension naturally. Today, see China pension more, red-eyed, angry, but, late.
